Welcome to Season 2 of Real Talk: a series of unscripted conversations with leaders daring to say what others won't.
Episode 2
More Care, Less Cost
The counterintuitive case for advanced primary care
The market has stopped arguing about whether advanced primary care works — the Included–Firefly deal settled that. What's left is harder: getting the right care to the right patients, at the right cadence.
Tory Wolff (Recon Strategy) brings the data — primary care lowers total cost of care, and the savings concentrate exactly where you'd expect, with the patients who need it most. Dr. Raj Shah (Centivo) brings the proof from the front line of virtual care — complex conditions caught and managed virtually, inside a model patients actually come back to.
Ashok Subramanian moderates a conversation about what happens when a health plan gets out of the way and lets a provider decide who needs more attention — and why cost-sharing was never the right tool for that job.
Meet The Panelists
What We Cover
Accountability in Action
How employers pushing hardest on accountability are resetting renewal conversations — and how mid-market buyers can apply the same playbook right now.
Partnerships That Deliver
Where integrated health plan partnerships can address high-cost drivers like cancer and deliver ROI quickly during this renewal season, without adding complexity.
Broker Insights
The pointed questions every employer should be asking their broker now — and how brokers can differentiate by bringing proof, not placeholders.

